@PowderRoomTalk @ginamom i once had a guy who REFUSED not to take me out to dinner or take me out practically anywhere fancy until HE got paid. it was a long & unnecessary wait but he got his point across: chivalry & care exists, even in brokeass men. it meant that much to his manhood which made it all the more sexy ;) & yeah lots of things are free that are fun still: walks in the park, museum visits, and home-made dinners & home-theater movie nights... its how u spin the fact that ur hard financially, but asking a woman to pay is a bit rude and gives her reasons to talk shit asap!

agree with ginamom- when you go Duch on the 1st date you give the wowman the idea that you're not really interested in her since you can't even treat her out on the date. Sorry, if you don't have $$ get a piggy bank and start stuffing it, ask your parents (if you say you found the one they'll lend you the money), or wait for the unemployment check to come. Anything BUT going Dutch. Trust me, dates don't have to be expensive- get creative men. You can find a lot of free events in your area- surprise us! ;)

1st date equals 1st impression... maybe on his 50th date he can ask for some change... besides an official date here means more than just casual talk over coffee or a quick stroll, it means mostly dinner or movie which most girls consider only a date if HE pays, and if he doesn't then she'll prob read it as he just wants to be my friend... old-fashion values...

ya i guess ur right, I always pay on the first date and almost all dates just saying on a crazy rare occasion what if they guy is really broke, lost his job etc, then he deserves a break

What? Are you kidding me? Sorry, go do coffee or ice cream but please don't ask the woman to pay on the first date. It doesn't say much about the man. If you know you can't afford a particular place then find a place that YOU can afford and put your sexy on and impress the girl.

Trust me, we ladies talk to our girlfriends and if we have to say, "yeah girl did I tell you he had me pay on the date?" trust me, you'll get thumbs down from our friends.

cheapskate

i dont agree women today are very independent and make a lot of money in some cases more then men, so this is an old mentality that the man always has to pay, if the man has no money and asks his girl to help him pay half on the first date i dont think its wrong

I have to agree with Nooch10. women want to be treated equal, but there comes a place and time to draw the line and this is surely one of them. If you want a real chance at gaining respect and her attention then especially in the beginning, sweep her off her feet. If you want a 99% chance at not getting a kiss or even a second date then split the bill guys. Go for it...More for me. I'll treat the first few dates alaways so bring it on ladies!!

Women should never be expected to pay on the first few dates. If she likes you she will treat out of the kindness of her heart when she feels you truly like her and there is potential. Make them feel special if you like her and want any kind of future. Its not how much you spend but old fashioned etiquette can go a long way if your into her. Be the man and step up for her.

if she's dating a much younger (but hotter) guy, why not?

my answer: no. but tip or coffee afterwards maybe?